It sounds like a story from Absurdistan. The medical journalist Bert Ehgartner the interview published on 28/11/2008 "aluminum from vaccines must go!" the Impfexperten Dr. Klaus Hartmann (1 , 2 ) will and a few days later sacked by Marc Scheloske as ScienceBlogs bloggers. nonsensical and perverse: Bert Ehgartner have "Mixed legitimate criticism of the HPV vaccine to the question of the supposedly harmful effects of aluminum salts as adjuvant in vaccines" , the absurdity of hard to beat Justification by Marc Scheloske. The insinuation is false and a false front. The truth is that science blogs under Marc Scheloske systematically from one to "skeptics" was infiltrated specified shall ideological grouping and is abused for ideological battles grave.
are as useful and safe vaccine? This issue is also among experts controversial. For a platform like Blogger ScienceBlogs.de vaccine controversy could be a welcome opportunity to discuss this issue critically and bleuchten from different sides.
For the journalist Marc Scheloske until the end of 2010 chief editor of ScienceBlogs.de, the subject occasion, the medical journalist Bert Ehgartner was referring to the platform. The strange story was already an echo in the blogosphere ( "Marc Scheloske and the snake pit ScienceBlogs. Cyberbullying, agitation, fanatics and militant skeptics ), however, it is worth to be further described chronologically. Only in this way is understandable that we are talking about systematic and pathological bullying of themselves "skeptics" is specified shall ideological grouping.
Lord "hypocritical"
At first glance, Marc Scheloske played his role excellently: "What standards apply to scientific blog posts? What controversy and debate culture we want for the science blogs? " With these words he led on 03/12/2008 your review at ScienceBlogs neuron (... is writing the editorial) a. This sounds like the sensitive Moderator, who mediated between conflicting points of view and make a decision now must be that it very difficult. Look at the separation of Bert and his blog Ehgartner PRAISE OF DISEASE one, however, specify which Hetz and bullying Campaign Marc Scheloske rewarded here (more below), it sounds like pure hypocrisy - garnished with typical skeptic gibberish (pseudoscience, quackery, pseudo-scientific theories).
Marc Scheloske has ScienceBlogs leave at the end of "personal reasons" (see blog post from NICE BASTARD ). This is a good opportunity to work on the bullying campaign again. Perhaps replaced by Marc Scheloske so still some food for thought for his future career.
30/07/2008
wiki entry at Esowatch.com
The campaign against Bert Ehgartner first entry begins with an anonymous Internet pillory Esowatch.com at 30.07. 2008 . The item will be created by the user Deceptor . According to the findings of this blog is at Deceptor a skeptic authors from the Berlin scene, possibly even GWUP Group Berlin. His article is a small service for colleagues. A keen interest in a pejorative and derogatory wiki entry of Bert Ehgartner have (from the perspective of GWUP.WATCH) the persons who make the following screenshot to advertising Esowatch.com . This link will bring you to impfinformationen.de . Among the illustrious editors - you could also call it fanatical Impfbefürworter - is also the wife of the alleged Esowatch.com-publisher Ramstöck Klaus, Anja Ramstöck . This group of people promoting not only for vaccinations, he is also pursuing of vaccination - and in his own way.
We remember: EsoWatch.com is an anonymous Internet-Pranger, who is from the skeptics movement used to get to work on the ideological enemy of this group. Since the skeptic movement is close to militant atheist groups, it is not surprising that even the Dalai Lama here would collect the fat and the little Nazi is . Since summer 2010 the German judiciary is investigating Esowatch . com.
30/07/2008
insulting criticism in Esowatch Blog
esowatch.com The platform has both a wiki and a blog. To understand what are the brainchild wiki authors, one must look only Esowatch blog. Sounds like the word choice of Deceptor (for Esowatch.com-Kenner) as if he had eaten a bit of chalk, thus saith the Esowatch Blog clear. Here we find a vituperative criticism on 30/07/2008 under the heading "Networks of cheaters today, Bert Ehgartner" . In vulgar language here is Bert Ehgartner Others denounced as "Verarsche of science", without even beginning to put forward any substantive arguments. (GWUP.WATCH style very reminiscent of the language of Anja Ramstöck . ) The blog post meets the criteria of a insulting criticism that defines Wikipedia as following: "The insulting criticism is a statement by which a person despicable and should be made depending not more of a debate on the merits is. " GWUP.WATCH suspects that include Anja Ramstöck, Aribert Deckers and Klaus Ramstöck are among the regular writers of the Esowatch blogs.
This style seems to be true to the taste of two science bloggers: Ulrich Berger and Florian Freistetter . Both advertise on ScienceBlogs Esowatch for the blog and both love it, argue ad hominem. Ulrich Berger is on the board of assessors skeptics Association GWUP eV
07/08/2008
Wolfgang Maurer's blog Ulrich Berger
The attacks below the belt against Bert Ehgartner be continued on 07.08.2008 by Impffanatiker Wolfgang Maurer's blog Ulrich Berger. Under the heading Praise of disease? science flops in the science blogs " , Wolfgang Maurer writes in a very emotional writing style all his frustration about Bert Ehgartner at bay. To understand the motivation of Wolfgang Maurer, who should read this comment from Bert Ehgartner . It is interesting that Wolfgang Maurer insulting innuendo takes the Esowatch blogs. In Esowatch Blog states: "Probably duchgeknallteste opposing vaccination, Germany, the dairy manager Hans Tolzin ..." (GWUP.WATCH Anja Ramstöck suspected as author of these lines). When Wolfgang and Maurer ScienceBlogs.de we find the words "In the Internet community is Bert known as anti-immunization, it has occurred in the past with so-called "Impfsymposien" of the vaccine "critic" and learned dairy farmer Hans Tolzin "
Well -. And Wolfgang Maurer and Anja Ramstöck we find both under the following already referred Esowatch.com-call advertising . What strange coincidences linking.
08/07/2008 to 11/28/2008
campaign at ScienceBlogs (D, USA)
In the period from 08/07/2008 to 11/28/2008 took place at ScienceBlogs a targeted campaign against Bert Ehgartner specifically in the comment section of various blog posts takes place. Anyone who follows the comment under the article Maurer of 07.08.2008 and the last Ehgartner contribution of 28.11.2008 and under a U.S. Posted 02.12.20008 who gets an impression as bullying in Association works at science blogs.
discover expert on the scene here for close cooperation between GWUP-related science bloggers à la Ulrich Berger , Thilo Kuester , Jörg ring , Ludmila Carone , David H. Gorski aka Orac , Florian Freistetter , Tobias Maier (which technically can not do much about, but all in solidarity - against Bert Ehgartner addressed - mitplappern) and Esowatch.com authors such as Magrat = Anja Ramstöck , Rincewind , Thomas Xavier Klaus Ramstöck = = Esowatch and publishers (from the perspective of GWUP.WATCH) possible Esowatch.com authors as Catherina G. Becker and Wolfgang Maurer .
Bert Ehgartner describes this phase in his blog at med.blogger.de said:
a farewell to scienceblogs.de
"For several months this blog at" scienceblogs.de "run. Finally it came there to a wild witch-hunt against me, even some involved in the American science-blogger. This was triggered by a number of critical reports which dealt with the problems of aluminum-containing adjuvants in vaccines. The editorial line there is apparently under massive pressure, but not so overly critical line to take. In addition, most authors understand there as a kind of esoteric Ghost Buster.
treated, a significant part of the articles thus the hunting of esoteric intrigues, homeopathy, TCM, etc. Also "of vaccination" is in this sense, as most suspicious. Wherever such machinations are presumed to be purely driven simultaneously with the fire of righteousness for the pure scientific void against all temptations to preserve. "
this article the following link , near the bottom on the page. The root cause analysis of Ehgartner Bert is wrong, because he holds is not known what the so-called skeptics. More on the following links: first Eselwatch.com over skeptics - second Skeptizismus.de - third Edgar miracle: the skeptic's syndrome .
30.11.2008 and 02.12.2008
David H. Gorski aka Orac rushes at ScienceBlogs USA
the end of the year still includes the fanatical skeptics and physician David H. Gorski aka Orac the campaign. A source of this blog claims that the initiative came from for this step Esowatch.com Editor Klaus Ramstöck . The integration of Orac is a tactical step in order to carry the campaign through to the ScienceBlogs publishers in the U.S. to exert pressure so as to banish from the platform Bert Ehgartner ScienceBlogs.de. David H. Gorski written for this purpose, the two Agitation following items:
30.11.2008: Is there an antivaccinationist on ScienceBlogs.de? Help me figure it out, my German-speaking readers!
02.12.2008: "Germany, we have a problem ..." Or: Should anything be done about two bad apples on the tree of pseudo-science of ScienceBlogs.de?
commented Even under these inflammatory posts again an unholy alliance of GWUP near-skeptic bloggers from ScienceBlogs, and authors of the anonymous internet pillory Esowatch.com against which the German judiciary for criminal law to tort (libel, slander, violation of personal rights) "against unknown "determined.
12/03/2008
Marc Scheloske as executor
on 03.12.2008, the skeptics collective bullying against the Medical Journalists Bert Ehgartner Marc Scheloske (at that time editor of . ScienceBlogs.de rewarded) Scheloske Bert throws out Ehgartner at ScienceBlogs.de with absurd reasoning he writes.
discussion and dissent: About Fairness and the scientific discourse on ScienceBlogs
"The last few days were very turbulent. From different sides criticizing each blog has articles on Scienceblogs.de and according to the authors. And some critics even went so far to the thesis that all science blogs-portal was possibly a forum of pseudoscience and charlatanism . Who is of course also just five minutes looking around here at ScienceBlogs, who notes that these allegations are nonsense. But first things first.
Legitimate criticism
starting point for the discussions was this blog post by Bert Ehgartner. In the comments was - quite right! - Claimed that here the possibly legitimate criticism of the HPV vaccine to the question of the allegedly unhealthy Effects of aluminum salts as adjuvant in vaccines has been mixed.
... As I said the criticism was justified in the comments. What was annoying: Bert Ehgartner was (initially) the evidence of such a link guilty ... We had been talking to Bert Ehgartner sought on Monday subsequently files also a justifiable article. However, it did not really dispel our doubts and we have decided to close the blog "In Praise of the disease" ... "
About this link it goes to the original post by Marc Scheloske .
Try to understand the strange logic of this being thrown out, you may come quickly to the question of whether Marc Scheloske here still had all their marbles.
To make it short: Who a little bit with the skeptics movement knows, knows that words like "pseudo science" and "charlatanism" skeptics are pure slang. It is meaningless phrases that are advanced in ideological disputes, in order not to have to deal with arguments. The justification of Marc Scheloske makes logical no sense: Bert Ehgarnter has not - as claimed by Scheloske and Wolfgang Maurer - joins two aspects in which their meaning (the critical manifesto of 13 scientists to HPV vaccination with criticism of intolerance, caused by aluminum-containing adjuvants ). Bert Ehgartner originally writes: "But not only the effectiveness of the vaccine is questionable. also their safety. " He uses two arguments additive and do not make modifications associated . He seems to be the nerve of the vaccine fanatic Wolfgang Maurer taken. Wolfgang Maurer considers appropriate additives for harmless. Klaus Hartmann it considers objectionable.
In science journalists and bloggers who are reasonably clear in my head, this could be an opportunity to discuss the subject of controversy and to bleuchten from different angles and factual arguments. The special features of the skeptics movement there is, however, to argue ad hominem , focusing quickly to speak into a rage and anger. For arguments will then not much room. The field is left to the emotions and personal attacks.
12/03/2008
Anja Ramstöck alias Anna Lena: "power the sect to "
As Anja Ramstöck , the wife of Klaus Ramstöck (editor of the anonymous internet pillory Esowatch.com) on 03/12/2008 learns of ditching Bert Ehgartner (remember here again the Esowatch. com advertising call at Impfinformationen.de ), as it almost gets an orgasm and writes under the pseudonym Anna Lena AntiVegan in the old forum (the image can be enlarged by clicking):
"In an incredible action, with the help of U.S. and German Blogger Blogger of ScienceBlogs, we have succeeded, that "of vaccination" from the journalist Bert E. ScienceBlogs was thrown out. googling "Praise the Krankhiet" :-) * champagne cork popping * A success for the science evidence-based. "
only in passing: There is the term" evidence-based medicine, "but not" evidence-based science. " Terms like evidence-based , pseudoscience or Age and para-science skeptics be used as a murder-inflationary phrases. They give a good sense of superiority. We avoided possible arguments and responding to small print. Even if the relevant people are using single words wrong, they have not really understood, they may just spell a right. Skeptics are their own enemy very similar - albeit as a caricature, and with the opposite sign.
"In an incredible action, with the help of U.S. bloggers and German bloggers of ScienceBlogs, we have succeeded, that" of vaccination, "journalist Bert E. from the ScienceBlogs was thrown out."
precisely what went it from the beginning. One should be muzzled from the perspective of the skeptics community at Esowatch.com Scienceblogs.de and unpopular part - if necessary also with unfair Methods. help of Marc Scheloske or Mr "hypocritical" It worked out pretty well!
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What we learn from history?
GWUP.WATCH From the perspective of this document there are no doubts that the platform is infiltrated ScienceBlogs.de in large part by an ideological and scientific grouping for remote and distant interests journalism is being abused. The systematic harassment against Bert Ehgartner has also shown that active science blogger with a criminal Internet Project (Esowatch.com) cooperate. It can not escape the impression that Klaus and Anja Ramstöck ScienceBlogs.de have led in part directed.
ScienceBlogs.de The new editor in chief Jürgen Schonstein also belongs to the hard-core skeptics movement and it is not currently seen that he is at a distance to Esowatch.com or Ulrich Berger and Florian Stetter Free asks to remove the links to Esowatch blog. As long as he's where no clear boundaries, acts ScienceBlogs.de - this is the firm conviction of this blog - still in the border area of cybercrime and played down offenses such as libel and slander.
After his departure from ScienceBlogs.de see Marc Scheloske now and culture in New Zealand and Australia ... and report on it under beutelthierchen.de . This is a very good idea. Maybe the fresh air helps to get new ideas and in the distant future, not only foreign but also to critically examine their own behavior.
only way to succeed later a successful new beginning!
A further documentation of the harassment against journalists Bert Ehgartner medicine is at Promed.Watch ...
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